There have been some interesting comments on the previous post, including a bit of a therapy session for me! Click here to take a look.
I've finally had chance to read the Time Magazine article on God Vs. Science which I mentioned in the post before last. The article mainly comprises an interview between the biologist and ardent atheist Richard Dawkins, and (in the believers' corner) Francis Collins, who is Director of the National Human Genome Research Institute. I find myself agreeing (and disagreeing) with Dawkins and Collins in pretty much equal measure. At the risk of seeming absurdly arrogant, as we're talking about two very clever guys here, it seems to me that both of them allow their beliefs to cloud their judgment from time to time and that both, too, sometimes fail to achieve the shift in perspective which is needed to really tackle the question of God.
I'd better give you some examples of what I mean.
Dawkins remarks: If God wanted to create life and create humans, it would be slighly odd that he should choose the extraordinarily roundabout way of waiting for 10 billion years before life got started and then waiting for another 4 billion years until you got human beings capable of worshipping and sinning and all the other things religious people are interested in.
I find myself kind of amazed that Dawkins should come out with something like this. He appears (from this particular quote) to be as limited in his thinking as some of the believers he so despises. His words summon up a vision of an old guy with a long beard who is watching us from on high, twiddling his thumbs till the dinosaurs die out. But doesn't the latest scientific thinking suggest that time is simply a characteristic of our universe and doesn't exist outside it? So God wouldn't really have to twiddle his thumbs (always assuming he has them, which I strongly suspect he doesn't) because from 'his' point of view, there is no such thing as time. He is in the eternal moment, where everything happens at once (as are we all, I would argue, if only we could remember!) And it seems to me that setting in motion a system which 'starts' with the big bang, then progresses through evolution to finally produce the human race - and probably on, in the fullness of time, to other, more impressive feats - is a perfectly sensible way to create a universe.
(And I feel I should mention in passing that 'worshipping and sinning and all the other things religious people are interested in' are not necessarily of any special interest to God.)
Collins seems to have a much better grasp of things here.
He says: By being outside of nature, God is also outside of space and time. Hence, at the moment of the creation of the universe, God could also have activated evolution, with full knowledge of how it would turn out, perhaps even including our having this conversation. The idea that he could both foresee the future and also give us spirit and free will to carry out our own desires becomes entirely acceptable.
Apart from one glaring point of contention, I go along with that, but Collins gets distinctly dodgy, in my opinion, when it comes to the business of 'intelligent design'. He argues that if the universal constants, the six or more physical characteristics of our universe - the gravitational constant being cited as an example - had varied slightly, then life in the universe would have been impossible. Collins believes that this suggests the existence of a "designer".
Personally, I am not convinced by this argument. Dawkins provides a couple of alternative explanations, including the existence of a "multiverse": a large number of universes, in most of which the constants vary from ours and which therefore cannot contain life. Yet as there are so many of these universes, mere chance suggests that in one of them, the constants will be "correct" - which is how we may come to exist even without a god.
Collins responds that this is unlikely.
He says: I actually find the argument of the existence of a God who did the planning more compelling than the bubbling of all these multiverses. So Occam's razor - Occam says you should choose the explanation that is most simple and straightforward - leads me more to believe in God than in the multiverse, which seems quite a stretch of the imagination.
Though I am a 'believer', I can't go along with Collins here. The 'multiverse' seems a perfectly viable explanation to me. I think Collins just hasn't read enough science fiction. His argument sounds to me like the shellfish which inhabit a rock pool arguing that it is ridiculous to suggest that any other pools could exist. (One for fans of The Perishers there perhaps...)
So it seems to me that both of these men, from time to time, are guilty of getting trapped in the limitations of the familiar human world-view. As Neale Donald Walsch suggests in Conversations With God Book 1
(an excellent book if you haven't read it) this may well have been the origin of our traditional concepts of God, in which the divine being is confused with familiar figures such as earthly leaders and our parents, and is therefore associated with rules and retribution, rather than with the limitless abundance of infinity.
(Speaking of which, have you tried that tree thing yet?)
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